I don't understand why shoujo is so much more shunned than all other demographics.

That's such a stretch, and probably far from the truth. The themes and genres explored in shoujo are simply not interesting to the average boy. Why? Because they generally have slower pacing, and most importantly they lack action, which is what young boys are most interested in. Also, the mood can be more laid back and relaxed, which they might find boring. Basically hating women has nothing to do with this : P

There are some great shoujo anime out there btw, I enjoy it.

Reasons why I don't like shoujo would be I don't like reverse harems and I don't like how flowerheaded most of the shoujo mc's are most of the times.
If i like shoujo then thats special xD but yeah my reasons to not liking most shoujo

example i liked chihayafuru (should be a shoujo) only cause of taichi , i hate chihaya
same for fruits basket which is a masterpiece but i hate tohru lol

first sentence and its already a denial, look back at most popular childhood anime, they are all for boys, the toys the merch are for boys mostly, pokemon, yugioh, dragon ball, etc, the otaku community are also filled with boys and men who grew up while remain being a fanboy, in contrast with girls, they watch anime like precure or something during their childhood and they MOVE ON to human celebrities etc. so MAJORITY of fans who SPENDS MONEY are MEN. just look back and remember when you were in school, who were more likely to like anime, was it your female classmates? or male classmates? you remember being a kid dont you? who were the one obsessed over beyblade or yugioh? was it boys or girls? lets just stop pretending like there are the same amount of female compared to male in this geeky fandom, just look at literally every geeky fandom ever even the MCU or DC fandoms most are men. want to know whats filled with women? kpop, want to explain why kpop have less men than women? or are you going to pretend half of kpop fans are men in equal amount with women as well? lol. whatever youre never going to admit the truth just for the sake of winning an argument, its over for you.

@SgtBateMan it's just a lame strawman. the anime community only shuns male dominated works like isekai or harem and the mainstream anime community cries about how shounen doesn't have female characters DAILY (even though actual women in Japan read shounen for the hot male characrers and pairings)

@SgtBateMan uhh no elitist contrarians and desperate pickmes have taken to randomly praising female mangaka and starting this whole female mangaka are better than male ones REDACTED war. just look at the vastly different way the male gaze is treated than the female gaze and the non existent criticism of reverse harems. villainess stories face barely any criticism as well especially compred to the almost daily isekai is le bad threads on literally every social media.
basically some grifting anime youtubers have now created a social ecosystem where insecure freaks can 24/7 talk about how much they hate anime (more often than not attacking male mangaka and genres and even wishing them death)
on the otherhand the female mangaka thing is seen as something classy and any wish fulfilment is hand waived because it often contains another dynamic that they can use to seperate themselves from the heckin gross otaku but funnily enough they reveal their true colours pretty often (seriously see how much hypocrisy these moral warriors had towards onimai while just because they could self insert as the mc)

@LuxuriousHeart you're just coping all of those franchises are male dominated. Women who can financially support these series aren't interested in them meanwhile men who can do so do it to extreme levels. Mahou shoujo was pretty much financed by older men. Even THE 5 year old girl series like Cardcaptor Sakura or various Precure where pretty much financed by male fans.
Women largely consume shoujo through manga or TV dramas.

Like GL to shounen and seinen, that goes without saying, so what's your point?

I wrote "Part of this phenomena are the fujoshies who are always so easily to be yaoi baited.", but I mean something else with it. I was talking about bait, not actual BL/GL content, which is also a thing and one of the reasons why many girls watch sport shounen which de jure has not BL in it (the show Free for example), but only hints.

@SgtBateMan uhh no elitist contrarians and desperate pickmes have taken to randomly praising female mangaka and starting this whole female mangaka are better than male ones REDACTED war. just look at the vastly different way the male gaze is treated than the female gaze and the non existent criticism of reverse harems. villainess stories face barely any criticism as well especially compred to the almost daily isekai is le bad threads on literally every social media.
basically some grifting anime youtubers have now created a social ecosystem where insecure freaks can 24/7 talk about how much they hate anime (more often than not attacking male mangaka and genres and even wishing them death)
on the otherhand the female mangaka thing is seen as something classy and any wish fulfilment is hand waived because it often contains another dynamic that they can use to seperate themselves from the heckin gross otaku but funnily enough they reveal their true colours pretty often (seriously see how much hypocrisy these moral warriors had towards onimai while just because they could self insert as the mc)

@LuxuriousHeart

How did you get misogyny from that comment lol. Also replying to comments that are several years old? Bro you’re just looking for something to get mad over.

1. Previously I wasn't talking about that at all. so what do you mean by "Actually no"? Did you have a conversation with me which happened only in your head?
2. And shoujo and josei invented only that specific form of BL aimed at girls and women.


Apparently you didn't care to voice it.


This is incoherent, I don't understand it.

The maim point of a bait is to lure without actually giving the promised thing...this is how you artificially increase readership/viewership of a sport title adding some BL vibes. Another example would be adding mechanical porn to a sci-fi show to lure some tech nerds.

Is that why there are so many teenage girls in anime, because people hate them?

@terralia I have read a lot of edgy things on this sight, but you might just be the biggest edge Lord of them all. Lol

@Zarutaku Given how anime teen girls are often depicted? Yes.

@terralia I see, so depicting teen girls in a lovely fashion means people hate them? Interesting theory.

@Zarutaku "Lovely fashion" meaning being sexualized I take it? So many anime have their female characters treated like shit, be honest for a second and stop pretending the shoujo depiction is the standard

@terralia Having sexy characters doesn't mean people hate them, and I have only seen a few anime where females were treated like shit, even the "male getting beaten up by angry female" trope is more common than that.

@Zarutaku Be honest... You know it's not just about women in cute skimpy outfits. How much fanservice is based on violating a female character's privacy? And how many anime have perverted male characters that harass women? How many anime have female characters being neglected and stripped of their agency in a way male characters aren't? How many are written to fit sexist stereotypes?
Either way, you're being dishonest and I'm not gonna waste more time on fighting with strangers online

@JaniSIr It's not edgy to say misogynists exist and that there's lots of them

@terralia If you want to resolve gender issues, stop perpetuating them, by playing the victim constantly.

@JaniSIr Idk why I argue with otakus about this stuff. Au revoir I have better things to do

@Zarutaku Be honest... You know it's not just about women in cute skimpy outfits. How much fanservice is based on violating a female character's privacy? And how many anime have perverted male characters that harass women? How many anime have female characters being neglected and stripped of their agency in a way male characters aren't? How many are written to fit sexist stereotypes?
Either way, you're being dishonest and I'm not gonna waste more time on fighting with strangers online

@terralia Not nearly as much as you seem to think. Still, there's nothing wrong with "sexist" depictions of female cartoon characters in shows that want to appeal to their (male) target audience or aren't even serious/realistic to begin with.

@LostSpectre "There's nothing wrong with sexist depictions" looool this is beyond parody you're literally proving my point

Everything made for teen girls or widely liked by teen girls is mocked to hell and back even if it's actually good or at least not as bad as people say. Let's be honest, most vitriolic hate for shoujo is driven by the fact that a lot of people just hate teenage girls

@terralia fictional misogony or whateber the fuck is a social construct xhuddy

Your argument is simply
things male like:
GRAAAAH

things womxn like:
ÖöÖ

Everything from wish fulfilment to questionable morality applies to your ilk albeit
It's just that literally no one cares what you like. Meanwhile you throw a daily fit about shounen and male spaces as if fictional characters have rights or whatever. You're basically the equivalent of the boomer ahh satanic panic folx and probably comment more on how anime is heckin toxic than actually watch it.
As a side note there's a reason the term fujo is so fitting as it relates to how warped you must be to view anime the way they do and the conclusions they end up with.
Overall, you can't expect much critical discourse from femxle tourist fans who think a literal pedophile like Miyazaki is a wholesome feminist.

@terralia What? Many women watch shonen or BL now. Demographics have already lost their meaning time ago. If shoujo is supposedly unpopular now, it isn't because "sexism" you falsely claim, its thanks to women themselves who lost interest, in fact you literally have a shounen character as pfp so I don't think you are a huge shoujo fan in the first place to make such non-sense claim. I can't take you seriously.

@terralia Literally no one shits on shoujo because wider society doesn't even cares that it exists. Meanwhile the mainstream (internet, society, & even anime forums) constantly shits on shounen/seinen and the wider community has something negative to say about it daily. There are almost daily threads or tweets shitting on anime for men constantly dogpiling it.
A lot of female creators have left shoujo jail and are making works that have a wider appeal. And you can't have the anime community is le sexist meme when it's been 20 years since FMA which ruled MAL and 10 years since a womxn directed the historical anime for men known as k-on. And like are we going to act like Demon Slayer doesn't exist anymore?
Apothecsry Diaries, Witch Hat Atelier, Skip & Loafer, Magus Bride are all proof that shounen is so large it has space for female writers that aren't confined to the shoujo circlejerks.
By your own logic you admit to being a misandrist as you seek out shounen works and shit on them literallt flocking to threads to shit on anything men like because god forbid something made for 5 year old boys, teens and or older men doesn't pander to your special and niche tastes (which is insane from a bleach REDACTED)